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PostAuthor: cozwurth » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:05 pm

Hello,
I just painted my tank and side covers with black BC/CC last night. I got a sag and a small run in the tank, so I'll have to wet sand to get them out. My question comes in with the decals. I saw similar decals on a Radian that was for sale near me and I really liked them. The Radian has a really different slope to the tank, though. Looking at the pictures I posted (Yeah, I know the shop is a mess), which way do you guys think would look the best? These are 'brushed aluminum' look vinyl graphics. My second question is about the clear coat. Since I have to wet sand a couple of runs out of the CC, can I wet sand, then apply the decals, then clear over? This is the first time I've used BC/CC paint.

Maybe they're just too big, and I'll just use the Yamaha emblem w/o the letters...

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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: Jake » Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:44 pm

Slope with the tank. Wet sand, apply the decals, clear over.
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PostAuthor: funkamongus » Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:01 pm

I think theyre too big. sorry, just my humble opinion. I bet it would look great without em. Its your bike, though, and I wouldnt stop riding with you if you put em all over the bike!
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PostAuthor: nraluke » Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:23 am

My 2 cents. I think it would look better without the decals.
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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: cozwurth » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:13 pm

I'm thinking that they're kinda big, too. I'm going to stop by a sign shop to see If I can get them duplicated, but in a smaller size. Maybe about 1/2 size. I think that there needs to be something on the tank, just not that big.

Another question...how long should it take for the clear coat to completely dry? It's dry to the touch, but it's still a bit soft. I have a drip on the tank seam that is still somewhat pliable. I painted on Saturday evening, when the shop temp was about 70°, but the temp dropped overnight and has been pretty cool and rainy since then. Today was the first day of sun, so I hung outside in the sun this afternoon to try and finish drying it. Is this temp/humidity related, or did I hose up the mix?

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PostAuthor: 48vintage » Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:43 pm

Curing time would be dependent on brand - temp & humidity . . low temps and high humidity would increase curing time.

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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: cozwurth » Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:05 pm

Gary, I surrounded the tank with halogen lights for about an hour this evening. I kept the lights about 2 1/2 feet away from the tank, but I could definitely feel the warmth. It seems to be working as the 'drip' on the seam is already noticeably firmer. I'm goin to leave it alone until I get it wet sanded and spray on another coat. It should be done this weekend, I hope.

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PostAuthor: nraluke » Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:30 pm

Wow, taking that long to dry isn't right. Did you add a hardner catalyst to the clear? Should be 2 parts clear to 1 part hardner catalyst and the catalyst must match the clear you are using. Got a can of OMNI MC161 which is a photochemically reactive urethane clear in front of me and it states with 2 to 1 mix with MH167,168 or 169 total dry time is 12 hours at 70 degrees and 30 minute at 140 degrees. If it were me, I'd check with where you bought the BC/CC to see if your clear is going to cause you future problems.
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PostAuthor: mark75 » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:01 am

JMO:
I'd go with only the Logo & loose the letters or plain tank & logo on side covers.
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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: cozwurth » Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:22 pm

nra, it looks like I'm not alone with my long dry time with this paint. I googled it and found other references to a slow dry time with the NAPA Crossfire clear coat. The Martin Senour web site says that delayed drying time can be caused by low temps and high humidity. The shop was at about 75° when I started spraying, and the temps dropped from there. It was cold and rainy for several days afterwards. MS says that one of the cures is to force dry the paint with heat. I was extra careful to mix in the correct ratio since this is my first base/clear job. The mix, according to the paperwork and the can label, is 4:1:1 paint:hardener:reducer. I'm going to have to get it scuffed and sprayed again on Saturday...the temps are supposed to drop here again on Sunday.

Mark, I'm probably going to go with the emblem alone. I think the letters are just too big, but I think that the tank needs something on it. The side covers are going to get the original emblems reinstalled after I paint them. The gold letters are going to be silver to match the tank emblem.

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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: cozwurth » Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:09 am

Well, I wet sanded and sprayed the CC again yesterday. More runs. I know that a big part of that is operator error, but I also realized that I forgot to change the air pressure. Again...operator error. The base coat wanted 35-45 PSI, and the clear wants 50-60 PSI. I guess I'll have to adjust the paint flow as well. I put the halogen lams around it immediately after spraying yesterday, and the paint seemed to dry much faster. I'm going to try one more time before I give in and just cut and buff it out.
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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: cozwurth » Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:26 pm

It's painted...again. I was finally able to get the clear sprayed this morning after heating up the shop a bit. I got another 2 coats on and managed to get it done with no runs this time. I have halogens shining on it now to keep it warm and help the paint cure. By late Saturday or Sunday afternoon I should be able to ride it with the real tank instead of the XR100 tank that I have on it now. More pics will be coming soon. Oh yeah...I'll be using only the Yamaha emblem from the decals on the tank. The letters are just too big.
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Re: New paint & a couple of questions... (UPDATE)

PostAuthor: cozwurth » Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:28 pm

The tank and side covers are painted and cleared. I was able to take it for a niceride today...about 65 miles this afternoon. I still have to put the emblems on the side covers and the Yamaha emblem on the tank, as well as a lot of cleaning and polishing to get the aluminum bits looking good again. What do you think?
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PostAuthor: green-villain » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:03 pm

The paint looks great from the pix. Nice work.

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PostAuthor: 48vintage » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:28 pm

Lookin good in the pics!

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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: scottsxv1k » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:59 pm

I think it looks real clean without the emblems
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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: JeremyGotABike » Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:11 pm

scottsxv1k";p="182223 wrote:I think it looks real clean without the emblems


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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: cozwurth » Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:25 pm

Thanks, guys. I think it turned out OK. It will never win 'best paint' in a show, but it's not bad. I definitely need more practice with the clear coat.

Now it's time to clean and polish aluminum...
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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: cozwurth » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:51 pm

Would anyone happen to know what happened to the pics? I know they were posted a while back...
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Re: New paint & a couple of questions...

PostAuthor: cozwurth » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:00 pm

Well, I'll have to completely re-do the paint on my tank. Apparently there was a pin hole in the front part of the tank from the weld stud dent puller. The gas weeped out through the filler and bubbled the paint. The paint also lifted the primer at the petcock and crept out under the paint, pretty much trashing the lower part of the tank. Do not use rattle can primers on anything that will have gas in it. I am going to have to completely strip the tank, clean and line the inside to get rid of the rust and seal the pin hole, and start over on the paint job. This time I will be using SPI epoxy primer on the outside. I'm not sure if I'll be going back with black, or with a metallic burgundy.

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