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How long do you wait at an actuated traffic signal that obviously doesn't know you're there?

As long as it takes
3
12%
About a minute, then I run the light
10
38%
About 5 minutes, then I run the light
4
15%
Until a car pulls up behind me
4
15%
I just make a legal right (or left) hand turn
4
15%
I never wait for traffic lights
1
4%
 
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Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: PerpetualConstruction » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:33 pm

Up here in NE Ohio we've got a lot of lightly traveled roads with actuated traffic signals (stop lights that only turn green when a car pulls up). About half the time a bike, or sometimes two bikes, aren't enough to trip the sensor when there aren't any cars around. I've got little patience for this, and typically run any red lights I encounter after about 30 seconds if there is no other traffic around. I swear one of my riding buddies would sit at a red light until he runs out of gas.

What do y'all do when a light isn't going to change?
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: SCARE » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:43 pm

same down here in New Zealand..

at night, no cars around. ill sit at the lights for one cycle, then i realise what's happening, and im off... green light or not..
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: Robnorth » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:56 pm

There are tons of those here, and often the "main" street has continuous traffic that won't give me a spot unless they actually get that red light. I'm really tempted to get one of those magnets or whatever they are to attach to the bottom of the bike. Does anyone make one that's held on by something more substantial than a zip tie?

One trick I have that is very helpful works if you can see where the wires are in the road. (Often, they've cut the pavement, laid the wire, then laid tar or whatever over the cuts, so it's really obvious.) In the lane, they'll either have a circle or a rectangle. Then a line goes from that circle or rectangle over to the curb and the traffic controller.

I try to get my engine right on top of the "T" formed by the line and the side of the circle or rectangle. Most of the time, that does the trick.

If it's really bad, and no other cars come to help me, I'll put the bike in neutral, drop the kickstand, run over to the sidewalk, and press the pedestrian button. When all else fails....
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: krb » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:07 pm

Here in VA a law took effect on July 1st saying that it's legal for us to "run" the light if it won't change.
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: arnie » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:12 pm

Illinois is working on a red light law, but Chicago is fighting it for some reason. Oh, they have red light cameras. More tickets? I have 2 magnets from a microwave under the bike and they help. Problem with a Virago is no frame= no metal.
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: Roger Ramjet » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:15 pm

when I'm riding I'm ethier on my way to work or my way home , Never in a rush so I wait . ( gives me a chance to light a smoke )
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: ms8238 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:41 pm

I have found that at magnetic lights it help to rev the engine, even in a car, it will change sooner with 2-3 quick revs in a row.

Dunno if the rotating mass trips it sooner or not but they seem to change on cue with rev's.
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: eaglebeak » Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:06 pm

The magnetic field generated by traffic light sensors beneath the road is primarily directed upward at a wide angle, so triggering the sensor is most efficiently accomplished by the width of a metallic object in the field regardless of it's overall mass or height. Obviously, the very "narrow signature" presented by a motorcycle is the worst case scenario for tripping sensors to let the system know you're there. Studies also show the magnetic field becomes more directionally intensified and easier to "trip" by cooler weather and wet road conditions; therefore, you'll notice your scooter is recognized more often on a cooler, wet and rainy day than it is on a hot, dry day.

Putting scientific fact to work, I have found that dismounting at a red light, gently laying my scooter on its side (to increase its "width signature") and urinating beside it to wet the road usually works like a charm. Unfortunately, this practice is not only generally illegal and creates quite a negative response from adjacent traffic, but I've also discovered the freakin' timer in the system usually shuts off green light or turn arrow by the time I zip my pants, right my scooter, and mount up again - grrrrrrrrrr :hair:

Sadly, there's not much one can do to avoid an automatic citation in the mail at any intersection with an unthinking "red light camera"; but cops in most cities and states (with or without a specific law or ordinance) will not pull you over for treating the traffic signal as a "stop sign" after you've sat through a complete cycle of the lights (waiting for a turn signal) or sat for at least a minute when no other major traffic is present.
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: mark75 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 5:27 am

Tx DOT suppossedly enacted a law in '09 that "any improvement/work" done on a signal would also include up-grading to m/c responsive sensor.

they must have abandoned this (crappy economy) :pissed: because the light at the hospital front gate has been worked on 3 times since then, and I still have to run it or sit there until an auto pulls up. :ider:
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: grazingazer » Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:16 am

eaglebeak wrote:The magnetic field generated by traffic light sensors beneath the road is primarily directed upward at a wide angle, so triggering the sensor is most efficiently accomplished by the width of a metallic object in the field regardless of it's overall mass or height. Obviously, the very "narrow signature" presented by a motorcycle is the worst case scenario for tripping sensors to let the system know you're there. Studies also show the magnetic field becomes more directionally intensified and easier to "trip" by cooler weather and wet road conditions; therefore, you'll notice your scooter is recognized more often on a cooler, wet and rainy day than it is on a hot, dry day.

Putting scientific fact to work, I have found that dismounting at a red light, gently laying my scooter on its side (to increase its "width signature") and urinating beside it to wet the road usually works like a charm. Unfortunately, this practice is not only generally illegal and creates quite a negative response from adjacent traffic, but I've also discovered the freakin' timer in the system usually shuts off green light or turn arrow by the time I zip my pants, right my scooter, and mount up again - grrrrrrrrrr :hair:

Sadly, there's not much one can do to avoid an automatic citation in the mail at any intersection with an unthinking "red light camera"; but cops in most cities and states (with or without a specific law or ordinance) will not pull you over for treating the traffic signal as a "stop sign" after you've sat through a complete cycle of the lights (waiting for a turn signal) or sat for at least a minute when no other major traffic is present.
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: drkstr47 » Thu Jul 14, 2011 8:34 am

Sorry Graz, I must disagree, I think my life will be much more fulfilled WITHOUT pics!!! :lol:
Feel free to do private emails... :ghug: ..you sicko., hehehe
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: priusbrown » Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:04 am

I used the bicyclist trick of taking the rare-earth magnet from an old hard disk, and bolting it to the lower frame. Problem solved, I have not found a light that does not respond.

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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: ww321q » Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:20 am

interesting article I found on the subject

http://www.wikihow.com/Trigger-Green-Traffic-Lights
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Re: Waitin' for the light to change...

PostAuthor: kaphook » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:49 am

I used to have that problem with my smaller CB250 when I just had my licence ( 32 years ago ) and found out that weaving over the side of the loop, in en out on rectangular loops, helped. ( not always, a few never worked )
Like that article said. study the loop, find where it is.
Nowadays I have no problems with the lights here in the Netherlands.
Either the bigger mass of the bike helps or they upgraded the loops or both.
But still the old habit of weaving over the loops stays.
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