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PostAuthor: saym31 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:22 am

Hi,

I'am looking for an ignition switch with key, with a position to start engine by turning the key.

I mean, like on any classic car, and perhaps some boat. I would like to start my engine by turning the key only. In just one step. Compare to turn the key in third position (1st step), then press start button on the handlebar (2nd step).

I have found only 3 positions or 4 positions ignition switch, but I am not sur if it is the system that I am expecting.

Thank you guys

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Re: Ignition starter with key

PostAuthor: Wesso » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:44 am

saym31 wrote:Hi,

I'am looking for an ignition switch with key, with a position to start engine by turning the key.

I mean, like on any classic car, and perhaps some boat. I would like to start my engine by turning the key only. In just one step. Compare to turn the key in third position (1st step), then press start button on the handlebar (2nd step).

I have found only 3 positions or 4 positions ignition switch, but I am not sur if it is the system that I am expecting.

Thank you guys

All you need is a standard motor car ignition switch that doesn't have the steering lock mechanism built into it.
Then you take the wires from the starter button and attach (solder) them to the poles on the switch that activate the starter. But that is much easier said than done I'm sorry to say because by my experience that type of ignition switch is not easy to find. Perhaps you could Google it and see what comes up and then try finding one on ebay.
I repositioned the ignition switch on my XV250 so that it was up on the handlebars near the speedo/tacho assembly but I still had to press the start button to start the bike.
I was going to try to change the ignition switch over to the type that you are looking for but as I said they are very hard to find so I gave up.

All the best in your project.
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Re: Ignition starter with key

PostAuthor: saym31 » Thu Feb 08, 2018 5:26 pm

Hey thank you for you interest in my project. You think it is not easy to find ? Or have you already find something but too much expensive, or too risky to buy cause we never know what is the mechanism on the picture / on the product description

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PostAuthor: Wesso » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:06 am

You're welcome. That's what we Mods are here for, to help where we can.
No I have just searched on Google and they are available and can be purchased quit easily.
I don't believe that they are too risky to buy. I will see if I can find out how much they cost and I'll let you know.
The average cost for an Ignition Switch Replacement is between $99 and $312.

In the meantime if you watch this Youtube video it explains how the switch works. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything that relates to a motorcycle.
www.youtube.com Video from : www.youtube.com

This is only one of many simple Ignition/Starter switches that I found by searching with Google.
Harly Ignition Switch.jpg

That switch was the only one that I thought looked like it would be good for use on a motorcycle since it is a harley ignition switch. I hope that helps you with what you are working on.
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Re: Ignition starter with key

PostAuthor: saym31 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:22 pm

Great explanations on this video.

Yep, I have already seen the classic ignition switch (harley type), but not the on i am looking for.

So if you find on internet, let me know, thank you

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Re: Ignition starter with key

PostAuthor: Wesso » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:51 pm

Yep! It might be a week or two before I can get back to you on that one because I am moving home soon and I have to pack most of my stuff.
I'll keep my PC up for as long as I can so that I can help you.
I thought that the switch set that I displayed would have been pretty much what you were after since it has the Off.On.Start positions which is all you really need unless you want to include a Park position as well. Anyway we'll see what we can do hey :bg:
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Re: Ignition starter with key

PostAuthor: totallyredvirago » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:48 pm

napa sells car ignition switches that you are looking for.. if you still want to do this i will help you wire it up. i wired up many.. the hardest part is finding a location for the switch due to they are bigger then the bike switch.............dan

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Re: Ignition starter with key

PostAuthor: XV535 » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:37 pm

The switch you require would have to have two totally isolated circuits.

The normal Key Switch takes a 12 volt positive supply direct from the battery without any fuse protection, and when turned on it sends the 12 volt positive to the main fuse, which then supplies power to the other fuses.

The Start Switch works the other way round. The 12 volts positive is already there at the Starter Solenoid, and the Start Switch connects the earth to complete the circuit. The diagram above correctly shows this earth path switching. Connecting the wrong type of switch in the wrong way could give you an unfused short circuit at your new switch (big flash and burned wires) as the Key Switch is not fuse protected.

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Re: Ignition starter with key

PostAuthor: totallyredvirago » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:22 pm

XV535 wrote:The switch you require would have to have two totally isolated circuits.

The normal Key Switch takes a 12 volt positive supply direct from the battery without any fuse protection, and when turned on it sends the 12 volt positive to the main fuse, which then supplies power to the other fuses.

The Start Switch works the other way round. The 12 volts positive is already there at the Starter Solenoid, and the Start Switch connects the earth to complete the circuit. The diagram above correctly shows this earth path switching. Connecting the wrong type of switch in the wrong way could give you an unfused short circuit at your new switch (big flash and burned wires) as the Key Switch is not fuse protected.


wait what???

all of our bikes are ignition switch fuse protected.. its called the main fuse.. the main fuse gets power from the positive battery terminal (12 gauge wire). from the battery to the main fuse. from the main fuse the 12 gauge wire powers the r/r, ignition switch, (some bikes) the fuel pump and starter relay. the ignition switch has 3 to 4 wires. 3 wired ignition switches are red (power in from main fuse). blue and tan to the fuse box.. 4 wired ignition switches are red, red/yellow (red/yellow for flashers) blue and tan to the fuse box..............dan
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http://www.viragotechforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=140&t=35947 (bare bones wiring81-83 xv750)
http://www.viragotechforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=140&t=48895 (91 up xv750 bare bones)
http://www.viragotechforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=140&t=36987(84-85 xv700,1000 bare bones)

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Re: Ignition starter with key

PostAuthor: Jake » Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:01 pm

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Re: Ignition starter with key

PostAuthor: Flyingdog » Tue Mar 13, 2018 1:19 am

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