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PostAuthor: Tommy P. » Sun Jun 28, 2020 2:37 pm

I have a question for any who have ridden one of the early models and one of the newer models. I had two early viragoes. an 81 and later an 82, both monoshock. I recently got a 97 1100 and I am surprised at how harsh it rides in comparison. Bumps on my two earlier ones seemed a lot smoother that this later one. I see where the monoshock top bolts onto the frame ahead of the seat on earlier ones, while the shocks now bolt directly toward the lower back. I wonder how much this affects the ride. I am about to give up on this one as I have adjusted the shocks several times and it stills rides harsh to me even on lowest spring preset and any of the rebound settings. I am afraid I will have to search for a new bike and don't want to do that.
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Re: ride of later models vs 81/82 models

PostAuthor: mark75 » Sun Jun 28, 2020 3:36 pm

if they are OE then it could be the shocks themselves are toast, and you're running on the springs action alone.

not to mention the geometry differences, and air assist on some models...
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Re: ride of later models vs 81/82 models

PostAuthor: faffi » Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:27 pm

A stock, new Generation 2 will generally be more comfortable and a better handler than an equivalent Generation 1. So something is likely off with your shocks, be that they are aftermarket set up for two grownups with gear, worn out damping, bent damper rods or some other malfunction. Or your swingarm bearings are shot, causing massive amounts of friction (not very likely).
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Re: ride of later models vs 81/82 models

PostAuthor: soccerfan » Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:32 pm

I rode an '82 750 for 10 years, then divested that and purchased a '93 1100, that i've owned for 8 years.

My primary issue with the 750 was the width of the seat, and the lack of creature comforts
for multi-day rides. The seat on the '93 is far superior. But that is not what you''re asking.

I can't say that I recall a significant difference in the way the two rode, but I sure would think
that two shocks would be superior to the monoshock setup (I always thought was a little weird).

When I first acquired the 1100 I tried adjusting the shocks and then riding for a bit, and I remember
thinking that I could not discern enough difference between settings to even entertain adjusting
those again. Maybe my butt is just not that refined ?

If you think the 1100 is more harsh, I'll vote with the other voices and suggest that there is an issue.
Start simple.

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Re: ride of later models vs 81/82 models

PostAuthor: Tommy P. » Thu Jul 02, 2020 9:02 am

Thanks for the answers guys. I think maybe I have heavy duty springs installed. I will have to remove and test them and go from there. I ride alone so softer springs with three preload steps up should be good for me and what small amount of gear I would pack for a day ride.
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Re: ride of later models vs 81/82 models

PostAuthor: Flyingdog » Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:48 am

Tommy P. wrote: I recently got a 97 1100 and I am surprised at how harsh it rides in comparison. Bumps on my two earlier ones seemed a lot smoother that this later one.


First thing that came to me, was: Springs (heavy duty or standard) "do not" handle small/sudden impacts very well. Springs are not to control comfort (so to speak), they are for ride height. Like Mark mentioned...it's the piston action that contribute to how well the shock controls wheel movement. Which translates to ride comfort. Why Yamaha put on those various adjustments (damp'n & preload). And yes, if the shock is not broke, these adjustments "do work". I find the mono shock waay better for control (wollering, wobble'n, shaft effect thru cornering/spirited riding) Personally, I'd also be little leery bout screw'n with the OEM springs on OEM (twin shocks). Specially, since they are not heavy duty springs. The shocks, as a whole, are just adequate..at best and do an OK job for the daily/touring rider. Now, if the cylinder is off somehow, then, nothing can be done...specially spring-wise. You can play hell when it comes to match'n comfort/springs/OEM shocks. Really, no such critter. Oh it can be done, if you got the time/money/grind'n tools/lotta springs ly'n around. One misnomer bout shocks, the softer the setting, the squishier the ride: Not true. Surprisingly, Virago shocks do have a relatively decent "spring sag" numbers, if they're in decent shape to begin with, before moving on to further adjustments. If not.... I'd say go aftermarket. But be prepared to "pay". The better the ride, the more it cost, unfortunately.
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Re: ride of later models vs 81/82 models

PostAuthor: bstig60 » Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:38 am

My first Virago was an '83 xv920 that I bought in the early 2000s for $300 bucks. It had been sitting under a tarp outside in the Sierra foothills for 3 years. I rode it for several years. Since then I have owned a number of first and second-generation Viragos. There is not a dime's worth of difference in the ride, but I found the 2nd gen bikes to handle much better.
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