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PostAuthor: Xdeano » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:46 pm

Can the starter be removed without draining the oil and removing the cover?

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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Naspc » Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:05 pm

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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Xdeano » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:47 pm

Thanks, just got done watching a video on it. Seems pretty straight forward. The previous owner mentioned he had starter issues. I straight jumped the starter from the battery with not even a hint of movement. I believe its shot. I'll mess with it on the bench when I get it out.

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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Flyingdog » Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:34 am

Xdeano wrote:Can the starter be removed without draining the oil and removing the cover?


Depends how you look at it, but actually..Yes...you can remove the starter without draining the oil. If you got a wall to lean the bike on. Puts ya in oddball positions, but it's up to you. I've done it against a tree, cuz I had no catch can for the oil. But you do "still" have to remove the cover to get at the C-clip on the starter's gear/gear's circlip etc, so not worth it. Even do clutches in ditches, just to save oil. But..hey..desperate measures..whatsya-go'n-todo? :cl: Sometimes, the starter mounting bolts will get so much crud built up, it will loose all grounding. Maybe why some feel running the extra wire from starter to negative battery post seems to help, when in fact, just pulling the bolts, few swipes with sandpaper, makes contact all new again.
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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: mark75 » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:11 pm

fwiw Tips:
1] replace with a 4-brush s-motor.

2] use a sharpie to mark the placement of shift lever / shaft (splines)

3] use Chap-Stik on new gasket to keep it from sticking to cases so you can re-use it.

4] use Vaseline to hold 3-ball gizmo in place while replacing side cover. (vaseline dissolves easier than grease with no-worries about grease contents)

pic is Gen-II but inside's basically the same as Gen-I, except starter, mostly...
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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Xdeano » Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:57 pm

Ok so i watched a youtube video about a guy replacing the starter, he bought some extra shims(3) and some kind of special clip. Does anyone know what these clips are and where they can be purchased? I'm working on deleting some wiring now, and cycom unit.

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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Hellgate » Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:46 pm

Xdeano wrote:Ok so i watched a youtube video about a guy replacing the starter, he bought some extra shims(3) and some kind of special clip. Does anyone know what these clips are and where they can be purchased? I'm working on deleting some wiring now, and cycom unit.

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I'm not sure what year or location your are from the phone, however, none of that cheap stuff helps, trust me. Pony up for the biggest, fattest battery you can fit, and buy a good 4 brush starter and hope for the best. If that doesn't work steal a second generation bike and dump yours in a lake.
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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Flyingdog » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:27 am

:yup:
Specially the point of try'n the fix with shims, wedges, set-screws, welding, stronger brake clips....all aimed at securing the starters ring gear (cept the brake clip). All these fixes were ok-ish waaay back in the day, they were thought up and "temporary"..at best. IMO: Putting a magnet under the starter gear to catch the shavings(?)...that's the first clue Yamaha screwed-the-pooch on this one..and that's-that.
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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Xdeano » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:11 pm

Well im in need of a new starter, plan and simple. This one doesnt even think about spinning. Its completely froze up.

Id thought about dropping this project in the lake and going and buying a 2020 Indian bobber. But id like to get this running for the neighbor. I might still go buy an Indian for myself.

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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Jake » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:31 pm

Ask him if it was ever in a flood.
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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Xdeano » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:53 pm

Jake wrote:Ask him if it was ever in a flood.


No it was never in a flood, but it's been sitting out in the elements for 10 years. So north dakota winters, and 85-90 all summer with ample rains. When I went over to pick it up it was on its left side in the grass, half dug into the ground with grass growing up through it. There was still some rancid gas in the tank, and nasty black oil. I wish I wouldn't have put new oil in before trying the starter. I did pull the crank cover off and the pistons are free.

Ive got a new carb for fire up when I get that far. Just need some help on the wiring part. I've been trying to decifer the wiring and cycom deletion. What a mess.

If anyone wants to help let me know.

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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Jake » Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:13 pm

That certainly explains a lot.
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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Xdeano » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:20 pm

Jake wrote:That certainly explains a lot.


Yeah its a complete basket case motorcycle. Everything need to be redone for it to even think about working. He also spilled it his last drive with it and broke off blinkers, clutch lever and it fell over on the brake lever side and broke that side stuff also.

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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Xdeano » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:48 am

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Starter-Motor- ... m%20title=

Anyone ever had any luck with the HD arrowhead or just stick with the standard oem?
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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Hellgate » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:20 am

Arrowhead makes nice replacement parts they've been around a long time. They only makes one replacement starter. The HD is marketing by the eBay seller.

You can look it up if you care to.

https://www.arrowheadep.com/content/catalog.asp

I've used Rick's starters most recently, they are probably rebranded Arrowheads, as Rick's has an excellent warranty. The sellers on eBay and Amazon have poor support at best.

In the period of about 5 months I had 3 to 4 starters go bad for a number of reasons. Rick's warrantied all of them. It ended up being a bad batch from the factory.
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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Xdeano » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:20 pm

So you can buy arrowhead starters, just not direct from them. To bad. Ricks starters are $190.

Crazy stupid prices of a free bike.

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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Xdeano » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:14 am

So the c-clips that i see in the diagram that hold thing straight. Where does a guy get them? Parts house? Looking for recommondatios.

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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Xdeano » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:49 pm

Idler gear and starter clips. Suggestions?
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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Flyingdog » Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:39 am

Xdeano wrote:So the c-clips that i see in the diagram that hold thing straight.


What thing? The whole starter? The gear? If ya meant just the starter motor, then--"Nope".. the mounting bolts and the hole in the case holds it straight. The gear assembly is held by the shaft.

Xdeano wrote:Idler gear and starter clips. Suggestions?



All over the place. https://www.yamahapartshouse.com/oempar ... ter-clutch
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Re: Removing starter?

PostAuthor: Xdeano » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:33 am

Flyingdog wrote:
Xdeano wrote:So the c-clips that i see in the diagram that hold thing straight.


What thing? The whole starter? The gear? If ya meant just the starter motor, then--"Nope".. the mounting bolts and the hole in the case holds it straight.

Xdeano wrote:Idler gear and starter clips. Suggestions?





All over the place. https://www.yamahapartshouse.com/oempar ... ter-clutch


Not really. Im looking for the idler and starter clips. #2 and #8 in the diagram.

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