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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: Crazy_Russian » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:13 am

it looks like that's what i'll end up using, i just wanted something like 10/90 or 30/70-road, tire. but the longevity factor for K60 really gives it an advantage over anything else
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: faffi » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:30 am

I think it is fantastic on both gravel and asphalt. Have not a lot of dirt and mud on it, but even there it coped very well for me.
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: Crazy_Russian » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:55 pm

for the rear, K60 it is:-) still need something for the front. too many noise and vibration complaints about k60 fronts
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: faffi » Sat Oct 14, 2017 1:23 am

Agree. I run a Mitas 09 IIRC.
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: Crazy_Russian » Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:07 am

kinda agressive for my taste :-)
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: faffi » Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:21 pm

I was wrong - I have a Mitas 07. Sticks great on tarmac, floats a bit on loose gravel, but easily controlled by staying on the gas and sliding the rear. It is a pain is deep sand, though, but the bike probably has something to do with that. As does my lack of experience.
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: Crazy_Russian » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:50 pm

could you take a picture of the E07 up front please?
it looks like they are very similar design. my plan is to do part of the Pan-Am highway from reno to slightly pass Colombia over the summer. so i'm trying to find something that won't kill my hands/feat and ears on pavement but will also provide some off-road capabilities and will last. So that's why im so picky about this:))
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: faffi » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:18 am

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There is a little bit of noise from the tyres, but not worse than off a new set of Pilot 4s. As the Mitas wear, noise drops, but I never felt it intrusive. I always ride with ear plugs. I cannot feel any vibrations from either the front or the rear tyre under any riding conditions, but I also run a fairly soft suspension setup.

I would say that on asphalt, the pair of tyres I run feel like normal street tyres with just a hint of softness from the rear when leaned well over and being hard on the throttle.
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: drainplug » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:13 am

To give an answer about spare tubes to carry, if you have a front tube it will work in both front and rear. Where as a rear tube won't work in the front.
Carry a patch kit, tire irons and a dual piston bicycle pump. I've done a lot of Dual Sport rides and had a few flats and the front tube works fine in the rear.
I'll tell you that in sand these bikes are so heavy they will handle like a drunk snake with a bad attitude.
On my XR600 I had to stay on the throttle to power thru and it was fun. On a 920 that extra 200 lbs. is killer.
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: faffi » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:25 am

Overall, the Virago did pretty well. This link should lead to a bunch of pictures from the event I went to. I did not do water crossings, nor did I ride any hiking tracks into the woods. But I got through mud that had the leader crash on his R1200GSA and I got through sand by leaning back and staying hard on the throttle. And I'm a complete novice. I also learned that the Virago will run straight as an arrow on loose gravel that would have a KTM690 wander a weave a bit. I didn't find the KTM alarming in any way, but it wasn't as relaxing as my Virago. Easier to turn, though.
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: drainplug » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:19 am

I was talking deep sand. The best way to ride sand is exactly that, sit back, stay on the throttle and steer with your butt. Hold on loosely to the bars.
Better yet avoid it all together on these beasts if you can.
The BMW GS fans are of the belief that they can travel the world on their "Ultimate" machines. I the real off highway world they are too heavy and most of the riders carry waaayy too much stuff.
I was a sweep rider for the LA to Vegas Dual Sport ride and picked up a 15lb. tool kit that belonged to a GS rider and he didn't even know he lost it.
They were in a group of about 20 and most of them couldn't make it up the first true hill!
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: faffi » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:28 pm

Oh, if you think desert or deep dunes, there is no way in hell I would have made it. At worst, I rode through half a foot deep, and maybe 50 feet long, patches, and I made it through more by luck than skilled control :bg: The first patch I hit wasn't as deep, nor very long, yet the front plowed instantly and I was almost down when a combination of firmer ground and a stout leg saved the day. From then on I changed strategy from sitting down to standing up, well to the rear and give it the beans.

My cousin rides a 950 Super Enduro and it will do a lot of gnarly riding, but not what the same ease and speed as his 510 EXC. He (my cousin) tested a BMW R1200GS Adventure at the same rally and came away unimpressed. After spending a minute or two dialing in all the electronic settings for optimum offroad use, he was sent on his way with a confident BMW representative proudly explaining that the bike's gadgets would save the day almost regardless of his actions. The first time my cousin gave the behemoth the beans over rough terrain, the GS got all confused and almost spat him off. A situation that would have been completely undramatic on the Super Enduro according to himself.

In other words I agree that it is not up to every man or woman to travel across the desert on a huge bike like the GS and its siblings. It is possible with enough skill and determination, but not for someone like me.
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: Crazy_Russian » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:02 am

haha:) as comfortable and awesome looking the big BMW's are, they are way too heavy for most true off-road terrain. but i would love to have a BMW GS100 dakar... or regular, test drove one, but guy wanted too much... or even the smaller gs800.... the big boxer GSs are either for a sidecar rig or highway with slight off road use.
Faffi, thank you for the input on the tires, i'll probably just end up copying your setup. In all reality, i'm not planning on taking the bike off road. but considering im going into uncharted territory (At least for me) i would rather be ready.
can't remember if i asked or not, what's the expected longevity on the front tire?
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Re: Dual-Sport tires on a 81 XV920R??

PostAuthor: faffi » Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:27 am

I think the front will wear out before the rear. I have about 6000 km on both now and expect the double to be easily possible on the rear, and a little less on the front. NOTE: That is until I will replace them because they will have too little pattern/blocks left for gravel riding - they will likely do quite a bit more until legally worn out.
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