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PostAuthor: mr vroom » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:41 am

My old one still works but just realized that my battery manufacturer recommended upgrading to a mosfet type.

Will this one work with my XV750 or are there any better or cheaper ones someone can recommend ? Thanks


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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: bstig60 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:56 am

The Mosfet R/R's are expensive, here's a link: https://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/results/
My recommendation is if your current R/R is working OK, leave it alone and then replace it when and if it fails.
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: Jake » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:15 pm

bstig60 wrote:The Mosfet R/R's are expensive, here's a link: https://ricksmotorsportelectrics.com/results/
My recommendation is if your current R/R is working OK, leave it alone and then replace it when and if it fails.


:yup: with a caveat. Yes, that is the correct mosfet for an upgrade.

If you reduced your electrical draw, such as add LEDs and anything else you deemed unnecessary, you have put more strain on your R/R.

The R/R will shunt the excess voltage it doesn't need to charge the battery and provide the electricity to keep the bike running. The mosfet shunts the excess in a faster more efficient manner, therefore the mosfet R/R is cooler, and less prone to overheating.

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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: Jake » Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:59 am

I just compared the price from Ricks to the one from EBay, Ricks is more than double the price.

The EBay deal may be a knock off, so buyer beware. You should read this thread, with the link I posted there before buying https://www.viragotechforum.com/viewtop ... 40&t=58365
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: mr vroom » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:06 pm

Jake wrote:I just compared the price from Ricks to the one from EBay, Ricks is more than double the price.

The EBay deal may be a knock off, so buyer beware. You should read this thread, with the link I posted there before buying https://www.viragotechforum.com/viewtop ... 40&t=58365



HI jake, That link doesn’t work for me. Can you please repost it?
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: Jake » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:45 pm

mr vroom wrote:

HI jake, That link doesn’t work for me. Can you please repost it?
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Hmmm...works fine for me but here goes https://www.viragotechforum.com/viewtop ... e048259cac
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: mr vroom » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:59 pm

Thanks Jake. Looking around on eBay and YouTube it seems to be a jungle out there with lots of phoney mosfet regulators. I believe the fake ones are sometimes called “replacements” and appear to be about half the price of originals. The only way I can see to differentiate for sure is by looking ar the side where a model stamp should be. I think
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PostAuthor: nanno » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:59 am

I don't quite see the issue with the cheaper ones? The semiconductors on the inside will be roughly the same and as pretty much all of those are manufactured in places like Taiwan or China anyway, what's the point? Are they proven to be of non-mosfet type?

I don't mean to offend anyone, but I can't really see the issue here?
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: Jake » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:46 am

nanno wrote:I don't quite see the issue with the cheaper ones? The semiconductors on the inside will be roughly the same and as pretty much all of those are manufactured in places like Taiwan or China anyway, what's the point? Are they proven to be of non-mosfet type?

I don't mean to offend anyone, but I can't really see the issue here?


I can't speak directly to the quality of the R/Rs, but like other products, some will use cheaper components and the QC may not be that stringent.

I know this is not the same, I use it as an example. I won an auction on Ebay for a SJ4000 action cam. It was a generic copy of the SJ, however the seller sold it as an SJ, much the same as someone could sell a mosfet as a FH020AA even though it is not.

The cam was supposed to be HD 1080P etc. and it looked good with the waterproof housing and mounts, the cam LCD display played the recorded video clear and looked great. That's the only time the video quality was good. When played back on the PC, the video quality was so lousy as to be unusable.

I went so far as to take the unit apart to see if I could refocus the lens and that's when I discovered the problem. The CMOS was very small, much smaller than the ones on my cheapie Emerson action cam.

The products may look the same outside, but cheaper inferior components inside.
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: eslmatt » Thu Jan 11, 2018 5:22 pm

Here is what I found during my research about mosfets: In this day and age they are EVERYWHERE. Every house LED light has MOSFETs regulating the power from AC to DC. Every wall wart also has them. Now, How often have you seen cheap LED lights fail? always the transformer. This is the MOSFET failing.

Now if you put a voltmeter on your bars and you can watch what is happening, might be worth the risk. It was for me. I got a replacement R1 ( stock is MOSFET) regulator for $10, and a volt meter for another $5. still a lot cheaper than $150. Just be sure to know what you risking when you go the cheap route.

Also you said your battery manufacture suggests a MOSFET, is it a Lithium battery?
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: Flyingdog » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:51 am

Jake wrote:The products may look the same outside, but cheaper inferior components inside.


:yup:

Personally..I can't see why this is even questioned. Anything that's cheaper....is cheaper for a reason. (and it's definitely not to give the customer a break) Specially when it comes to our mechanical or electronic stuff.
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: wkdenton » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:24 pm

Recommend Oregon Motorcycle Parts. VRRPM3 is the correct R/R for most XV’s. This guy builds them very stout w/ oversized heat sinks. Not cheap but very high quality.
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: Jake » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:44 pm

wkdenton wrote:Recommend Oregon Motorcycle Parts. VRRPM3 is the correct R/R for most XV’s. This guy builds them very stout w/ oversized heat sinks. Not cheap but very high quality.


The price is not too high ( my opinion, but I’m not the one buying), the issue is it’s out of stock until July.
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: eslmatt » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:17 pm

I wouldn't say there is no reason some things are cheaper.

Apple takes 30% profit on everything, iPhones, apps, computers.
Acer makes about 4%,
Xiaomi makes about 2% (Chinese brand that makes everything, mostly known for their phones. everything is done online) My phone is also supposed to get the update to android 8. (Not all Chinese companies are good with software or hardware)

If you buy Nike, you are paying all the players they sponsor, Advertising... etc. I do like their shoes, but not because of MJ.

If you buy a 600ml bottle of coke in Canada it is $2.00, if you buy the same bottle in China it is $0.50. Guess where they do most of their advertising?

Motogadget is $400, I could build something similar in China for $50... and spend 200 hours getting it to work right.

If you go the cheap route, know the risks. :;: I usually go the cheap route
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: Hellgate » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:18 pm

A Motogadget from China??? Show me.

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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: eslmatt » Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:06 pm

eslmatt wrote:Motogadget is $400, I could build something similar in China for $50... and spend 200 hours getting it to work right.



I said build....

I can get a:

"unlicensed" ardiuno mega for $10
16 opto relays for $5
bluetooth board for $3
3 voltage dividers $10 drops 25v to 5v for sensing main voltage, rpm, something else that needs 12v.
12v to 5v power supply $4
wires and stuff $19
- keyed electrical switch, for entering bluetooth setup
- jumpers
- whole bunch of hot glue for sealing
- some connectors to run 5v to handle bar controls

total $50, subject to government style cost over runs

As you can see the 200 hours of troubleshooting might be a little conservative :bg:

but the bluetooth proximity sensor might do a good job of a keyless conversion...
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PostAuthor: wkdenton » Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:46 pm

Jake wrote:The price is not too high ( my opinion, but I’m not the one buying), the issue is it’s out of stock until July.


I’m thinking that the Out of Stock message is out of date.
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: jonno51 » Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:02 am

mr vroom wrote:My old one still works but just realized that my battery manufacturer recommended upgrading to a mosfet type.

Will this one work with my XV750 or are there any better or cheaper ones someone can recommend ? Thanks


https://www.ebay.com/itm/For-SHINDENGEN ... rS&vxp=mtr


I recommend the RR48 MOSFET R/R from Electrexworld in the UK. They ship worldwide.
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: mr vroom » Sun Jan 28, 2018 11:15 am

eslmatt wrote:Here is what I found during my research about mosfets: In this day and age they are EVERYWHERE. Every house LED light has MOSFETs regulating the power from AC to DC. Every wall wart also has them. Now, How often have you seen cheap LED lights fail? always the transformer. This is the MOSFET failing.

Now if you put a voltmeter on your bars and you can watch what is happening, might be worth the risk. It was for me. I got a replacement R1 ( stock is MOSFET) regulator for $10, and a volt meter for another $5. still a lot cheaper than $150. Just be sure to know what you risking when you go the cheap route.

Also you said your battery manufacture suggests a MOSFET, is it a Lithium battery?



Yes, it’s a Shorai lithium iron battery.
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Re: Want to upgrade regulator rectifier

PostAuthor: jonno51 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:26 am

jonno51 wrote:
mr vroom wrote:My old one still works but just realized that my battery manufacturer recommended upgrading to a mosfet type.

I recommend the RR48 MOSFET R/R from Electrexworld in the UK. They ship worldwide.


Cheaper than Oregon too.
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